Some Hateful-Ass Shit
During the election, I heard people, black mostly but also a few white folks, speculate or state their “worry” that Barack Obama as presidential candidate, president-elect or president, would be assassinated like Martin Luther King and Bobby Kennedy. Even in the ridiculous cheeriness post-election, I still heard and hear partly joking but largely serious speculations about how long Obama can be president-elect or president without being killed. I never understood if it was about fear in general, fear of disappointment, fear of chaos, or a realistic appraisal of the racial climate in some parts of the US. Is this a lack of faith in our progress as a nation? In the Secret Service? In our selection of a president? What does it say when you openly wonder whether the guy whose t-shirt you’re wearing and whose bumper stickers are all over your car and wallet and windows and gear shift and whose sign you’ve proudly placed in your yard will be gunned down? Was your vote an act of faith or an act of stupidity?
Then there’s the Osama Obama Shotgun Pool sign that appeared in a store in Standish, ME, right after the election. The assertion of some defenders of the store owner, who denied he knew anything about the sign (really?), was that the sign was a tasteless joke gone wrong. I disagree. There’s no joke in “Osama Obama” after the fearmongering of the McCain-Palin campaign and its allies. The only reason to include “Osama” is to link Obama with Osama bin Laden, to imply that Obama is Other and therefore dangerous and probably allied with anyone who “hates our freedoms.” (That noise you heard was my frontal lobe exploding.) There’s also the allegation that at the bottom of the pool sign was a sentence “Let’s hope someone wins.” Oh, the punch line.
A rabid dog let out of its pen is hard to pen in again. The campaign tapped into deep fears, hates and received ideology on race that some in the US were able to apparently unpack, examine, shout and cry and argue over, regardless of who they ultimately voted for. When Obama is sworn in as president January 20, that unpacking is not over. The internal and external struggles will continue. Questions need to be asked and answers debated. Who is your neighbor? Where do you shop? Who’s your boss? When you have to hire, who will you hire and why? What does your doctor look like? Are saggy, show-your-underwear pants “culture” to be defended or a fashion that can be condemned, sneered at, discarded? Do you like your beans with a sauce or dry? Will you eat collard greens and blackeyed peas with me on New Year’s Day? Do I have to straighten my hair to get a corporate job? Should you drive alone at night through a neighborhood that isn’t your own? Can I trust that police officer over there regardless of his or her race? Will I still be asked “What do black people think about ___”? Will I be told I must eat/drink/wear/say/enjoy/reject x, y, or z because my skin is brown? And if I do not snap to, will I be considered not a member of the club? A traitor? Ignorant of “your/our History”? Will I ever have to hear again “But you must be mixed with something?” meant not as a yes/no, provide-missing-information question but as a compliment? And will folks like Mayor Nagin and Veronica White continue to cry racism whenever they hear a question or answer they do not like? (Disclosure: this bitch is no fan of Stacy Head but using “racism” to deflect attention from your own shit is lame. And undermines racial progress.) And if President Obama fails at something or doesn’t fulfill someone’s utopian dream, am I going to have to worry about a backlash? Can I continue to believe that The Girl will live in a different world than I, who lived in a different world than her parents? Or will we thinking, analytical adults continue to believe the lie that we can draw thick categorical lines between “races”? Will racial purity finally become the joke some of us already know it is?
What will you be thankful for this coming Thursday?
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This is an interesting post. There’s definitely some hateful shit going on — but I like to think it’s due to the broad cultural shock brought on by this election and the current situation we find ourselves in, and I don’t think it won’t last forever. I have to admit; although I don’t voice it openly, I do worry some hateful or misguided jackass will take a shot at Obama. But honestly, I think he’s too smart to let himself be a target like that. The days of JFK, RFK & MLK, and the sorry lack of security surrounding those guys, is mostly past. We live in the era of bullet-proof Pope-mobiles. I think Obama will be ok.
The next few years will be rough, I think. There’s plenty of self-serving cretins of all colors in this country. But there’s also an undercurrent of unity manifesting itself that I’ve never seen before — and that’s hard to deny even for someone as cynical as myself.
Think of this: A whole new generation of children of all colors who will be growing up during the administration of a smart, decent, and effective black US president. The old racism sond and dance in the south will harder and harder to sell. Teenagers will rebel, as teenagers do, but this time against the racist nonsense of their parents and grandparents. It just won’t make sense to them anymore. It’s conceivable that we’ll be entering an era where the stupidity of racism is aknowledged for what it is. When the next generation grows up and the old one shuffles off its mortal coil, racism could go the way of the vinyl LP. The possibilities are actually pretty astounding. Remember, in the course of a human lifetime, we’ve gone from segregation to a black president. That’s some pretty serious progress for a culture so mired in racism, and with its roots in slavery.
A lot of the negativity you’re seeing is linked to the general cynicism of a country that can’t bring itself to believe a word that any politician says anymore, and a deeper cynicism towards their fellow countrymen who would vote for a bottomfeeder like Bush not once but twice, and en masse, for mostly foolish or hateful reasons. The cynicisim is not without merit. But if the new administration proves itself, and I think it has a good chance to do so, a lot of that can change.
Oops. “I don’t think it won’t last forever”. Meant to say “I don’t think it WILL last forever.” Duh.
I, for one, have voiced fearful speculation about attempts on President Elect Obama’s life.
Not because of any racial misgivings or hidden neurosis, but because I am a student of history. Excuse me, that should be History.
I read about Gandhi as a child, remember being sent home from school in New York when JFK was shot, his brother, RFK, not long after. I lived in DC when MLK was assiasinated, and can clearly remember walking out of a bar in silent tears the night John Lennon’s death came across the radio.
These are the costs of Standing Up.
Humans are controlled through fear, and anyone who shows the way through is subject to it’s price. In more esoteric circles, this is known as Messiah/Martyr syndrome. HUmans elevate those they admire, until their humanity is evident enough, then some creep or collective of creeps brings them down. At least they don’t crucify anymore.
So my own attention to this is due to the promise offered, the truth shared and the light shed on the path to fearlessness.
There can be no backing down, and the danger follows throughout.
That’s just History, waiting to be challenged.
As for the rest of the negativity, I like Louis’ response. There is a New Generation who will Not Buy This Bullshit. Enough of them to elect our New Leader.
The death throws of racism, hate, class war and control through fear, are going to be loud and viscious. But they will end. If we let them. If we remain ourselves, stand strong and draw that responsibilty to Be Better Humans in to our pyche.
Think ‘Star Trek – Next Genration’…
We are The Borg.
You will be assimilated.
Resistance is futile.
IN closing, I like your metaphor: “A rabid dog let out of its pen is hard to pen in again. The campaign tapped into deep fears, hates and received ideology on race that some in the US were able to apparently unpack…”
I think it’s good to get this all out in the open.
Let all the dogs out.
The one’s that come home are pets.
The ones that go mad in the streets get euthanised.
We are, as a nation, lancing a biol of racism, ignortance and hate, long festering and overdue for removal. The best way is a quick clean jab.
Let it all out and begin healing.
The day wil come when a negative act, like that stupid redneck sign, is met with a distainful, “Oh, dude. That’s SO Bush era…get over it.”
Louis, my Lord Pirate,
Yeah, uh-huh, you got it. Thanks and Good.
I appreciated Obama’s campaign b/c it was past time for us, all of us—because racism is not a Black Problem but a Human/People Problem—to look the evil in the eye and say yes or no.
Lord David, I agree with you about the effect Obama’s presidency will have on future generations. For once in my life, I feel hope that my daughter will be in a better world than I lived in, a better world than her grandparents and great-grandparents and great-greats. It’s been long overdue.
And Louis, I think that Obama’s campaign and presidency will, hopefully, chip away at that cynicism encouraged and fed by anti-government motherfuckers like the ones who’ve been in the presidency and bureaucracy these past 8 years. We are not used to a president who doesn’t dissemble, fake, or tell us that up is down and down is perpendicular so bend over so I can stick this “medicine” up your ass with no lube. Time to take that rabid dog, give him his medicine and pat him on the head, cooing that everything, every little thing, is gonna be all right, don’t worry about a thing.
G-B, anyone who knows me knows that I am way beyond cynical, especially when a politician opens its mouth. Pronoun intentional.
The word “hope” has been thrown around a lot lately, to the point where maybe it’s being run into the ground — but the word feels more real to me now than it has in… well, forever. And it’s a strange way to feel considering how very fucked the world is at the moment, and as I see my own small business circling the drain, wondering how I’ll keep paying my mortgage if this goes on, which it will.
If I had to pinpoint a reason why even cynical me is buying into the hope scene at this unlikely moment in history, it’s this:
When Obama opens his mouth I don’t feel like I have to get out my trusty Ovaltine decoder ring to figure out what he’s actually saying.
Think about it. When was the last time you heard a politician say ANYTHING where you didn’t think to yourself, “Well, he just said this, so he must’ve meant that.” That’s such a knee-jerk reaction for me that I feel disoriented and lightheaded when a politician actually means what he says and says what he means. I almost don’t know what to do with that.
What I’m saying is: hope starts with truth. And, finally, after a long damn life of waiting, I do believe I’m beginning to catch a whiff of truth from someone in charge. I am cynical, I don’t trust such things easily. And when I begin to trust, I feel exposed, vulnerable, like a sucker letting his guard down. So I’m not all the way there — but I’m getting closer.
Trust: not entirely, not yet.
Hope: Yes. I’ll allow myself that.
Oooh, puhleeeze bring back the Spot! It is sorely missed. And you are missed as well, though I know it’s tough for ya to get online these days. Be well.
I hate to tell you this Louis, but racism already HAS gone the way of the vinyl LP. Records are now kept in the closet or on a shelf as reminders of days gone by. Sometimes people pull them out, dust them off, give them a healthy squirt of D4 and take them for a spin around the turntable. Mostly they keep them locked up tight in a dark, cool space so nothing happens to them.
There are vinyl fanatics who hoard LP’s and meet up with like-minded souls at special conventions. They talk vinyl, eat, breathe and sleep vinyl. They blog about vinyl and enjoy sitting back and discussing the vinyl resurgence with their vinyl buddies. They join clubs and plot the downfall of CD’s and MP3′s with a glazed look in their eye as they remember the good old days when music knew its place and stayed right there between the grooves where it belonged.
Or am I pushing the metaphor too far?
Maybe I should have used the “do-do bird” as an extinction metaphor? Being an old record shop owner, I tend to gravitate towards what I know ;-)
But seriously, I know what you’re saying, and you’re right. But your analogy reflects the present, while I’m being a wee bit hopeful about the future. Don’t get me wrong, there will always be racism, just as there will always be followers of Hitler. But the neo-nazis are more or less universally reviled by the rest of the world, and that mass knee-jerk sense of revulsion is what we’ve got to aim for with American racism. The next generation is our best shot at that.
It seems unlikely, I know, but so is the presence of a black US president less than 200 years after legal slavery. You just never know, and I’m very hopeful about the future — and I’m willing to do my part for the sake of my kids.
this has been an interesting read G Bitch. i had my 2 kids (early 20′s) read this post and comments. they see it very differently than we do.
they don’t feel that racism is near as bad as it is with our generation and that ‘we’ make the problem worse by focusing on it. both boys have many friends and race has never played into their choice of company. One lives in Mid City and the other lives downtown, so it’s not like they live in a cave.
they just can’t understand why all the hate about race.
king louie — i only play vinyl. no cd’s or ipod for this termite.
makes my kids laugh. i have a little Cream playin’ at the moment, ha! :)
Thank you, Termite.
As always, your simple truth bathes me in light.
It’s
already
ending.
If we let it.
I’m in.
Put on Sittin’ On Top Of The World, the live version, from Goodbye Cream.
It’s the only seat worth having.
LV U 2, mia bella.
Termite – You have always manage to make me smile.
Thank you.
Termite, I have a hoard of vinyl that would make your head spin. Remnants of the Juke Joint.
Fact is, much of the good stuff never made the transition to digital. You can have my record player when you pry it from my cold, dead hands.
lol! believe it or not i just ordered a new turntable (Thorens) i’ll never give it up for those cds. besides, i’m not smart enough to figure out how to get the wrapping off of them.
better watch that vinyl collection of yours. i’m still looking for the replacement of my ‘Eat A Peach’ that i lent out years ago. :)
david. you’re such a dear. i mean that. we all benefit from you in our lives.
mr. best, it’s been too long. Port of Call is calling. :)
G Bitch, you’ll be happy to know that you’ve started something (good stuff) there’s a huge discussion going on in Mid City with around 14 young adults.
the more they understand, the better our world will be.
((hugs to all))
Really LM? Owner as in currently, or past tense? I find my home is not enough of a fire hazard these days and I do have a hole in my shelves where the canal water chemically glued a bunch of my sides together. Got any scratchy old Three Suns laying about?
on the day after the election, I went to work with a shirt on that said… “no sniveling” … I put an Obama Biden sticker on top of the phrase. The old guys that drink in the bar everyday came in, and began their usual complaining… then Willie came in, who was a big Obama supporter, and he smiled and said…. “Okay boys… y’all owe me a drink… Obama won!”
One gentleman was ready, bought him his drink, and continued on…. the other three, refused to buy him the drink he won on the bet…. because he wasn’t president yet…. He still could be shot, and not make it.
I stood there in disbelief, turned my back on them, and made them all sit there and WAIT for their next beer… all, except Willie, and the guy who paid his debt…
G.B., what did you mean when you said “Should you drive alone at night through a neighborhood that isn’t your own?”
I’d really like to see some elaboration on that.
Termite, I’m glad your boys are part of the new future but no one should deceive him- or herself—racism is not gone and just because you didn’t apply it to your choice of friends, or even neighborhood or favorite recording artist, doesn’t mean it is gone. We do not perpetuate the problem by talking about it. Ignoring it, saying it’s over and done when it isn’t allows and fosters a backlash. I saw this in the 80s and I do not want to see it again. Glad to hear a grand conversation has started. I hope your sons and their friends change this city and then the world.
Big Dummy, I meant what I said—if you are black, do you still need to be careful what neighborhood you drive through? And if you are white, same thing—will the cops stop you thinking you must be there to buy drugs? Or do you avoid places not because of known crime but because of assumed crime based on the skin color of the people in the neighborhood or that block? This happens not just in the Deep South but in many places in the US, still. I’ll repeat what I said to Termite—lack of discussion or personal experience of racism doesn’t mean it’s gone. The struggle continues. Not just politically but personally. Bags still need to be unpacked. On all sides. And that is a GOOD thing. We ALL progress/evolve when that happens.
As free people, we should be able to talk openly about anything with anyone we choose. This is our first amendment right.
When people respond badly to open discussion, it’s usually a symptom of unreasolved issues within themselves. Discovery of these issues is the first step towards healing. Healing is an act of love. See how positive this can be?
The monsters in the closet only come when we feel utterly alone.
Reach out, talk openly, and make us all better humans, maybe friends…
Hearts can open if we let them.
Peaceful holidays to one & all.
LD
Well first of all race is not just a black white thing like someone said in an earlier post, I recall reading a recent story of a Native American boy being denied entry into a school system for his hair being long and in a braid he was going to be made to conform to the school standards are be left out,haven’t the Native Americans been put through enough? Taking the religious rights of alittle boy away because he is different or what his family belives is ridiculous but that didn’t get hardly any news coverage, in yet another story I read that more and more school recruiters are going less and less on academic talent and intstead working to show their diviersity by picking solely minority mostly for athletic gain according to the article. I know of people who cannot afford to pay their bills, they work hard and pay there way through school, yet if your a certain race you can get a free ride through certain universities that does not really seem fair does it? My point to this blog is that race affects everyone not just one group of people, your right it’s never going to go away as long as certain people keep it going. It sucks I believe you have to be the change you wish to see in the world . I don’t believe that by being open minded and accepting of all people like termites kids, that that makes them blinded to racism, I think that’s exactly the attitude people should adopt if you want to get past this racism thing and come together as MLK’s dream, I’ve got to say I was raised to base my opinions of people on their actions not their skin color and until I moved to my current city I never understood what racism really ment and how strong hate really was with the Black people in this city, for whatever reason hold the actions of a small group of white people against us all and that’s not right either. I feel people should get things because they are earned not because they came out a certain color and that group is special so it gets everything handed to them this goes for all races. Depending where you are I guess determines your views and how you were raised, I know people who hate white people because their great great great great grandfather hated them does that make sense? We as a society must move past the mistakes of our forefathers, leave the hate behind and promote and bring about change, it’s starting you can see it, just look at our new President Elect. If equality is to exist then you must treat every one equal. Peace
Oh, don’t forget the one that goes “Obama is selfish for running for president because you know this country has at least ten solid racist groups who are gunning for him, and all he wants is to make a widow and orphans out of his wife and children.” Talk about frontal lobe explosion when I heard that fresh turd being said to me.
Maitri, that turd has a whiff of Uppity stank to it.
If anybody does make a serious attempt on Barack Obama’s life it will be the extremists on the left punishing him for not going far enough. The extreme right may be full of hate but they’re also full of stupid. I’m fairly certain the Secret Service can out-think the best the white supremacists have to offer.
Now the Clintons, on the other hand,… :)
bullet – that was the best comment i’ve read in years. lmao!!!
i’ve read it several times for a good giggle.
thank you.. that was pretty damn good. :)
No racism? Perhaps not like it used to be. But still, here and there, there are pockets of local racism. Even institutionalized/government racism. Every now & then as I’m driving through Plano, TX from the suburb where I work to the suburb where I live I see somebody pulled over by a cop for DWB.
Or am I reading too much into it? Are the cops *really* pulling over only vehicles with an expired registration and it just coincidentally happens that 90% of them are driven by blacks or hispanics? Specifically young male blacks and hispanics? Right, it’s just random, that’s all. Coincidence. Simply that minorities are more likely to have less money, and more likely to have their car inspections and registration paid for. Pure economics, that’s all. Yeah, that’s it. I can feel better about driving right past them now, a middle aged white suburbanite in a minivan. It has nothing to do with me. Time to get home for a cold beer and some Dancing with the Stars.
I hope Obama does not get assassinated. I do not want him to be over-glorified in death and have to put up with all the crap that will be named after him. Second, there is no such thing as racial profiling by the police. As a percentage, blacks are responsible for most of the crime in America. Performing a pre-emptive traffic stop is just good police work. I remember the same complaint raised by Arab people who were feeling singled out by airport security. Well…who was responsible for 9-11? The Norwegians! Give me a break with all this cop bashing.
I’m returning to the ‘fuck off, dave’ option used so liberally on another thread here.
“there is no such thing as racial profiling by the police.”
You are either stupid beyond words, completley blind, or out of your mind.
Police departments, nationally, admit to and rely on these tactics, and not just towards black citizens, as you would have them do.
You got cut off on another thread for dispensing endless stupidity about how black people are the scourge of the earth. You’re a racist asshole.
Period.
No amount of jury rigged ‘facts’ you list will do away with the obvious fact that you beleive African Americans to be inherently criminal. This is SO last century. And you’re just repeating yourself on various threads, now.
Get a little blog site for your racist ass and go away.
I am not a racist. I am a Social Darwinist and eugenicist. Why do we continue as a society, to support those, or make excuses for those who contribute the least to our society. Diversity does not make us stronger…it killed the Roman Empire. Why do you not have the moral courage to admit that some cultural groups are just a drag on the America. Example: people are quick to criticize the US public education system always gets a bashing in the media and how our test scores are below that of Europe and Asia. African-Americans have a 50% drop-out rate. What do you suppose would happen to the American public school systems ranking in the world if we tossed out the scores of African-American students? I’m just stating the truth. I had a black friend back in high-school tell me he was going to Grambling. I asked “why?” He said, “everybody gets a degree at a black university” and was being honest. That kinda pissed me off. I earned my degrees. Why can Travis Smiley and Afroracist have an entire network on XM radio and when somebody tosses out a couple of truths…he is branded as a racist? Why can’t cops do their job to keep people safe? Why can’t we bulldoze high-crime areas better known as “public housing?” I’m not saying all blacks are inferior to whites. WEB DuBois talked about a successful 10% of blacks back in the 1920′s. Finally, who the hell left you in charge of this page? Your name “Lord” indicates narcissism. I have not used profane words toward you one time. I respect your communist view…why can’t you respect my realist view?
I’m not engaging your hate.
Your premise is absolutley ridiculous.
After “we bulldoze high-crime areas better known as “public housing”, where would all those people go?
Go ahead, quote dickens: “are there no prisons, no workhouses?”
While you’re expressing your ‘view’, calling me a narcissit and a communist really helps win me over.
You don’t know if that’s my given name, and as for politics, you’ve no idea what I believe.
For one thing, I believe you’re a racist asshole.
And I’m not wating another second on your lame ass.
I forced you to look inward and find the truth. You know that America’s public housing and welfare programs have ran amuck causing more harm than good. If you take away the incentive for people to work…then they will become a ward of the state. Everytime we have a problem in this country we create a new government program to deal with it, and now we have some people who expect the government to take care of all their problems. I remember trying to get Katrina victims to form a service line at a refugee center and help serve the food to each other. Red Cross was short-handed. THEY COMPLAINED AND REFUSED! I SAW AN EVACUEE HAVE REX DELIVER HIS BIG SCREEN (Bought with FEMA check) TV TO A REFUGEE CENTER! I SAW PEOPLE HAVING SEX OUT IN THE OPEN IN FRONT OF CHILDREN! Bunch of animals.The discovery of Kennewick Man proves that race is a factor in development. I feel that each race has certain strong areas becuase of genetic composition. Asiatics are superior at math and technology. Caucasians are superior at government and philosophy. Negaroids are superior at sports and the vocal arts. We all have something to give and we must be honest if we are going to create a global community that plays to our strengths so we can end disease and famine. We cannot continue to be so worried about offending someones feelings that we kill our whole society.
Dave, you cannot use this space to shout like that. Let it go, move on, this is not the place.
My God. I point to your own hypocrisy. I am villified, but, if I were to post that GW Bush is an asshole (and he is and I never voted for him) it would be O.K. Al Gore can make a film called “An Inconvenient Truth” about the environment and he is glorified. I speak the same about the human race and I am villified. Look, I used to be a far left winger. My first vote I ever cast was for Walter Mondale. I voted Clinton twice and for John Kerry. This year I voted for Ron Paul because Democrats and Republicans make me sick. Do I hold a mirror to something you cannot accept? Reality?
Dave, you are suffering the fallout of having opinions widely at variance with the majority of people. Don;t tell me that you are unused to getting this sort of reaction.
Eugenics is something that tends to piss a lot of us off, remember that you are interacting with a team that is black, white, gay, straight etc. HumidCity embraces the potential of diversity.
Internet yelling ( the EVERYTHING N ALL CAPS effect) really does nothing but make you seem irrational and juvenille. As far as the majority of our readers and staff so far can attest, so does the racist party line being presented. Do not hand me that “Bell Curve” crap and pass it off as viable. I do not agree.
As to Lord David, he is a contributor here. In short he is staff, so your comments about his “Finally, who the hell left you in charge of this page? ” can be referred to me. Who left me in charge? Why I did. I am the founder and curator of this site.
Comparing opinions on race and eugenics to opinions on politics if facile. The analogy does not hold up.
I do not stop threads or ban people except as an absolute last resort. I will say that I am now keeping close tabs on this thread.
Discuss rationally. Dave, a bit more actual logic would be nice. And former credentials as a democrat get you nowhere here. I can’t stand either party. All crooks. Content of your comments, tha is what you are judged by.
Webster:
Racism: a belief that human races have distinctive characteristics that determine their respective cultures, usually involving the idea that one’s race is superior.
Dave:
“I feel that each race has certain strong areas because of genetic composition.”
Groucho Marx once said, “Are ya gonna believe me or what your own eyes tell ya.” Well, bury your head in the sand if you like and ignore the facts. So I’m a racist…oh well. There was a time when America was great, but the 1960′s was the “pussification” of males in this nation and we have not recovered. If we all sit around and whine enough perhaps the federal government will solve all our problems.
(….sound of crickets…)
Man, I haven’t seen an episode of M*A*S*H* in a long time, but this post reminds me of the one where Hawkeye was listed by the army as being dead. He gets into an altercation with Frank Burns and two corpsmen drag him off. As they do so, Frank begins hysterically screaming “Punch him in the throat! Punch him in the throat!” It was hilarious.
Dave… you’re Frank Burns.
Oh, M. …
How very flattering you are….to me, anyway.
‘Frank Burns’, on the other hand, is completely wigging out now.
Check here: http://humidcity.com/2008/11/18/yes-we-can-indict-the-bastards/#comment-180724
Lol. Well, in high-school I was nicknamed Farnk Burns. I have my beliefs and love my country. Anbody seen Hot-Lips around?
Loki and Lord David,
I like your site and I read all the post. They are insightful and well done. But the diference in our post must be viewed through the same prism that one views art. Perhaps the Humid crowd post are like the Impressionist movement and their post are either beautiful like a Renior or human like a Manet. But my post are a modern/post-modern like “The Scream” that produce a different reaction and appeals to a darker side. Still, a reaction none the less. It takes all parts of everything to make the world go around.I totally accept the views of all the contributors on this wonderful site. Why can’t my views be accpted as well? If you folks are going to rage against the conservative machine…you should know a cog in the machine you despise, even if you find the grinding of its gears to be ugly and horrible.
“Why can’t my views be accpted as well?”
The idea that people of certain races are inherently criminal, combined with your belief that criminals should be killed, (“returned to the heap”, you said in another thread), is simply unacceptable to the social fabric of life.
This concept of yours is exactly the one that American forces are battling globally, from Bosnia to Somalia, Kuwait to Iran.
Why on earth you haven’t been called out on this before is beyond me. Maybe when you mumble by the water cooler, thinking that everyone agrees with you, they’re just trying to get away as quickly as possible.
If you want to bring out “The Scream” and lend yourself to the darker side of things, perhaps Anton Levay has a place for you. Applying these things to the restructuring of our country is hardly constructive.
We accept the fact that these are your views. We just disagree across the board. If your stance is as libertarian leaning as it sometimes sounds you should accept our right to strenuously disagree.
I’m glad you read HC on a regular basis, I really do appreciate every reader that spends time here on the site. I also like having opposing views stated, as listening only to one’s own echo chamber is deadly. By the same token I have the right to completely disagree with anything you might care to share.
Another thing is the fact that your views go beyond the conservative, and veer into as you put it yourself, eugenics. That alone says everything.
And for the record, Giger is more my style than most impressionists….
Thanks to Loki for remaining level headed.
As for your question, “Why can’t my views be accpted as well?”, I don’t know what to tell you. First, start off by realizing how lucky you are that there are ‘liberals’ who allow you to post your opions at all, and stop insulting them for their beliefs, the very ones that encourage your freedom of thought, here and elsewhere.
Nobody wants to hear from a guy who is tearing them down all the time.
Secondly, your right to your opinion has nothing to do with anybody else’s right to refute it. If everybody in a given discussion disagrees with you, perhaps you should change your tune or find a new discussion group.
Finally, dated theories like eugenics, breeding the African American ‘criminal element’ you’re so fond of ranting about, out of society would be the closest thing to Nazi genocide that could possibly happen.
Your suggestion that criminals be killed and ‘returned to the heap’ compiled withn your earlier remarks that those found guitly of minor drug posession be treated as criminals because ‘they knew it was illegal’ suggests murdering potheads.
Perhaps the law is wrong.
How many men go home, get stoned, and beat their wife, compared to those who do it on legal alcohol? They’re usually unable to get off the couch, I think.
Anyway, don’t think that a group of free thinkers you dub with a conservative generalization, like ‘liberals’ are gonna line up behind racism, eugenics, death penalty for minor drug possession, and “finding the darker side of America”. They certainly aren’t buying Barack Obama as a radical cult leader, like you mention (when it serves your argument).
We just spent 8 years in a Facist Republic, and the smoke hasn’t even cleared on torutre, false imprisonment and war crimes.
So I figured I’ve earned the right to express my opinion, too, which is that you’re insane, narrow minded, and living in a tiny world of hate you’ve invented for yourself.
Dave, you don’t have to be agreed with to be accepted. If all your posts disappeared from HC tomorrow, you might have a valid argument, but they won’t and you don’t. The fact that opposing views are welcomed here is a testament to the open-mic forum that Loki has given us here. Hell, I’ve said some disagreeable stuff and been spanked for it and I accept that my views will not always be popular, but I move on.
Personally, I get the freakin’ willies when I hear some of the pro-Obama, savior is come, all is better stuff being spouted by some folks these days. It reminds me of the glazed-look, speaking-in-tongues stuff I heard from the other side during the Reagan administration. but you know what? He’s just another politician who will either make things better or make them worse. Though I hope for the former, I refuse to get bent out of shape one way or the other until he actually takes office and does something. (Empiricism is highly under-rated, sez me!)
And now for the inevitable disagreement. Comparing political or genetic/racist philosophy to art appreciation has got to be one of the most incredibly foolhardy attempts at analogy as I have ever witnessed. I admit preferring one artistic movement over another might seem comparable to preferring one political philosophy over another, but at the end of the day if Impressionism wins, the Post-modernists don’t end up brutally tortured and murdered in a dank prison cell somewhere in a third world country. Or vice-versa.
Point well taken. But, with the artistic movements in Europe during the 19th Century it was a zero sum game. When Impressionism came in…Romanticism was confined, or at least the artist and their ability to make a living, to the dark, dank, prison cell of culture. I do not wish to be a racist…but I see so much racism in our culture. It is the natural way. Bottom line. Emil Jones, President of the Illinois Senate said that “A black” should fill Obama’s vacant seat. Why did he just not say the most qualified person? We are a nation of many races and cultures, unlike any other in history. We will always bend to our own in life story in culture and politics. Irish, Italians, Blacks, Latino’s, and Asian. Tip O’Neil said that “All politics is local.” He was right. Life…is a zero sum game. Tribalsim is a zero sum game. I wish I could make a miracle and change things…but I cannot. Dropping my guard and allowing my culture to be conquered is not the answer. It does not make me more human or a better man…it just makes me defeated and subjegated to my former enemies demands.
Okay, dave, now you’ve gone to football analogies.
Defining your racist favoratism towards genocide as part of a ‘Zero Sum Game’ shows a removal from reality usually closely related to a pure sociopath.
One can draw examples from todays news to back up any crazy attitude they wish to promote. If your “culture” consists of hate, division, power by race and imprisonment of those you find different, then perhaps it’s time it went the way of the dodo bird.
Dave, Silver Medal try, but still far from the top podium. Yes, certain artistic movements were confined to back rooms and alleys, but the artists themselves were not actually BEATEN, TORTURED AND DISAPPEARED! Try again.
Loki, please do not ban Dave. It’s so fun being the Kobayashi Maru to his Ensign Redshirt!
M, you are delightfully insane.
That image cracked me up for hours.
Live long and prosper.
LD
Well, I have a philosophy:
The laughs of the many outweigh the rants of the few!
Merry Christmas!
@ M Styb I may adopt that as a secondary motto for the site!
And remember kids (especially appropos this year) Santa wears a red shirt. Think on that….