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		<title>By: VatulBlog: Another Year, Another Krewe Du Vieux Recovery</title>
		<link>http://humidcity.com/2010/01/28/scale/comment-page-1/#comment-258024</link>
		<dc:creator>VatulBlog: Another Year, Another Krewe Du Vieux Recovery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Feb 2010 15:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] up for Humid City as promised.Â  If you&#8217;re craving some humidity right now, read their latest on Charity Hospital.Â  And, as things go in the tiny-assed, two-degrees town that is New Orleans, author Monkey Boy is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] up for Humid City as promised.Â  If you&#8217;re craving some humidity right now, read their latest on Charity Hospital.Â  And, as things go in the tiny-assed, two-degrees town that is New Orleans, author Monkey Boy is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: MonkeyBoy</title>
		<link>http://humidcity.com/2010/01/28/scale/comment-page-1/#comment-258001</link>
		<dc:creator>MonkeyBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, thanks for checking in Owen and sorry for the misunderstanding. You&#039;re right that I didn&#039;t research the site very much, mostly because I don&#039;t consider it authoritative. Its a neat site though, and some interesting opinions are voiced there. But see, stating an opinion on Charity Hospital was not the point to my post and everyone that has reacted as if it is, backs up my stance that emotion clouds judgment at a certain scale. I intentionally picked something big with an emotional charge. And people got defensive. I&#039;ll give you a pass on this  since Frenemy called you a douche - but alleged douchbaggery aside, I do appreciate you stopping by and I hope you keep reading and comment frequently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, thanks for checking in Owen and sorry for the misunderstanding. You&#8217;re right that I didn&#8217;t research the site very much, mostly because I don&#8217;t consider it authoritative. Its a neat site though, and some interesting opinions are voiced there. But see, stating an opinion on Charity Hospital was not the point to my post and everyone that has reacted as if it is, backs up my stance that emotion clouds judgment at a certain scale. I intentionally picked something big with an emotional charge. And people got defensive. I&#8217;ll give you a pass on this  since Frenemy called you a douche &#8211; but alleged douchbaggery aside, I do appreciate you stopping by and I hope you keep reading and comment frequently.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen Henkel</title>
		<link>http://humidcity.com/2010/01/28/scale/comment-page-1/#comment-257973</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen Henkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mystery douchebag speaks....

Hey all, to clear things up - last year I helped Jonah Evans and Eli Ackerman build the SaveCharityHospital website, buying the domain. But virtually all of the content on the site is theirs. 

Frenemy, I guess my reputation proceeds me ;)

Monkeyboy, intersting article but perhaps poorly researched? I quick survey of the site or any of the posts would reveal the to main writers of the site. Also if you take a longer look at the site, it is quickly apparent that this is not some personal &quot;opinion&quot; blog, but a well researched, rigorous community advocacy effort. Eli Ackerman is a well respected investigative journalist on staff with the Lens, and Jonah Evans has been involved in several high profile community organizing efforts over the past few years. The amount of information and the detail with which they tracked this story, disrupts your &#039;scale arithmatic. 

LIke I said I think the overall point is interesting but that you picked a poor example and might not have looked into it very carefulle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mystery douchebag speaks&#8230;.</p>
<p>Hey all, to clear things up &#8211; last year I helped Jonah Evans and Eli Ackerman build the SaveCharityHospital website, buying the domain. But virtually all of the content on the site is theirs. </p>
<p>Frenemy, I guess my reputation proceeds me ;)</p>
<p>Monkeyboy, intersting article but perhaps poorly researched? I quick survey of the site or any of the posts would reveal the to main writers of the site. Also if you take a longer look at the site, it is quickly apparent that this is not some personal &#8220;opinion&#8221; blog, but a well researched, rigorous community advocacy effort. Eli Ackerman is a well respected investigative journalist on staff with the Lens, and Jonah Evans has been involved in several high profile community organizing efforts over the past few years. The amount of information and the detail with which they tracked this story, disrupts your &#8216;scale arithmatic. </p>
<p>LIke I said I think the overall point is interesting but that you picked a poor example and might not have looked into it very carefulle</p>
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		<title>By: Loki</title>
		<link>http://humidcity.com/2010/01/28/scale/comment-page-1/#comment-257966</link>
		<dc:creator>Loki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;ll have to start editing for length. Nah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;ll have to start editing for length. Nah.</p>
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		<title>By: MonkeyBoy</title>
		<link>http://humidcity.com/2010/01/28/scale/comment-page-1/#comment-257962</link>
		<dc:creator>MonkeyBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah.

[one word comment is irony]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah.</p>
<p>[one word comment is irony]</p>
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		<title>By: M Styborski</title>
		<link>http://humidcity.com/2010/01/28/scale/comment-page-1/#comment-257947</link>
		<dc:creator>M Styborski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, with both of us here, Loki&#039;s gonna have to but a whole lot more storage space for all the extra words!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, with both of us here, Loki&#8217;s gonna have to but a whole lot more storage space for all the extra words!</p>
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		<title>By: M Styborski</title>
		<link>http://humidcity.com/2010/01/28/scale/comment-page-1/#comment-257946</link>
		<dc:creator>M Styborski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 01:09:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I know what I saw isn&#039;t representative of the building as a whole, but I lost the entire lower four feet of my home plus furniture and apliances, etc. and was told by the state that it didn&#039;t amount to over 50% damage so I didn&#039;t qualify for RHP funds. Charity is 13 floors plus basement and 5 wings so I wonder what exactly they considered damaged.

On one side, Charity was allowed to languish without clean-up for some time, as if the State wanted as much damage possible in order to bolster the need for their McHospital Plan. Then there was the complete lockdown on press save for a few Charity personnel-guided tours which were tightly controlled and only went to specific areas, notably the basement level which flooded. I try not to be the Conspiracy Nut, but everything about the way the State has handled this issue screams collusion.

I&#039;d love to know where the old equipment went. I seriously doubt it will be used in the new McHospital. Surely there are provisions for new Machines That Go Ping in the LSU Plan, but was the old equipment recycled? Sold to other care facilities? Destroyed?

I get the scale thing. I see Charity in one way and I only have my own scale to work from, but I have yet to hear from the other side as to why my scale is wrong. From the start LA/LSU has simply dismissed the Save Charity movement as reactionary, mis-informed, paranoid and simply wrong. That is, when they acknowledge them at all.

Lastly, the Packards used in the Indy 500 were slim, custom jobbies, not the road-yachts you&#039;re probably thinking of. Regardless, even those cars never won an Indy 500 which speaks more to Packard&#039;s engine department than their aerodynamics guys.

Sheesh. No wonder Loki fired you!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I know what I saw isn&#8217;t representative of the building as a whole, but I lost the entire lower four feet of my home plus furniture and apliances, etc. and was told by the state that it didn&#8217;t amount to over 50% damage so I didn&#8217;t qualify for RHP funds. Charity is 13 floors plus basement and 5 wings so I wonder what exactly they considered damaged.</p>
<p>On one side, Charity was allowed to languish without clean-up for some time, as if the State wanted as much damage possible in order to bolster the need for their McHospital Plan. Then there was the complete lockdown on press save for a few Charity personnel-guided tours which were tightly controlled and only went to specific areas, notably the basement level which flooded. I try not to be the Conspiracy Nut, but everything about the way the State has handled this issue screams collusion.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to know where the old equipment went. I seriously doubt it will be used in the new McHospital. Surely there are provisions for new Machines That Go Ping in the LSU Plan, but was the old equipment recycled? Sold to other care facilities? Destroyed?</p>
<p>I get the scale thing. I see Charity in one way and I only have my own scale to work from, but I have yet to hear from the other side as to why my scale is wrong. From the start LA/LSU has simply dismissed the Save Charity movement as reactionary, mis-informed, paranoid and simply wrong. That is, when they acknowledge them at all.</p>
<p>Lastly, the Packards used in the Indy 500 were slim, custom jobbies, not the road-yachts you&#8217;re probably thinking of. Regardless, even those cars never won an Indy 500 which speaks more to Packard&#8217;s engine department than their aerodynamics guys.</p>
<p>Sheesh. No wonder Loki fired you!  :)</p>
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		<title>By: Elspeth Ravenwind</title>
		<link>http://humidcity.com/2010/01/28/scale/comment-page-1/#comment-257945</link>
		<dc:creator>Elspeth Ravenwind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But a Packard was not meant for the Indy 500.  And check out many of the old buildings in Europe that are way older than Charity, have had many reworks over the centuries and are just hunky dory.  Charity was built to be a hospital, and at the very least a building - noone&#039;s asking it to be a bridge or a tunnel, but a building.  A valid architectural forensic report by an unbiased agency please.  There&#039;s a case in Houston where a university is claiming that H&#039;cane Ike damaged a building beyond saving, a forensics firm surveyed it for them and found it quite sound and not at all at risk.  It&#039;s not unusual for parties interested in only shiny &amp; new to try to trick those who would pay, in the Houston case, an insurance company for the replacement of the old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But a Packard was not meant for the Indy 500.  And check out many of the old buildings in Europe that are way older than Charity, have had many reworks over the centuries and are just hunky dory.  Charity was built to be a hospital, and at the very least a building &#8211; noone&#8217;s asking it to be a bridge or a tunnel, but a building.  A valid architectural forensic report by an unbiased agency please.  There&#8217;s a case in Houston where a university is claiming that H&#8217;cane Ike damaged a building beyond saving, a forensics firm surveyed it for them and found it quite sound and not at all at risk.  It&#8217;s not unusual for parties interested in only shiny &amp; new to try to trick those who would pay, in the Houston case, an insurance company for the replacement of the old.</p>
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		<title>By: LSUboy</title>
		<link>http://humidcity.com/2010/01/28/scale/comment-page-1/#comment-257944</link>
		<dc:creator>LSUboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 00:08:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is attributable to actualy people: The site is run by Jonah Evans and Eli Ackerman.
http://www.savecharityhospital.com/content/about-us</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is attributable to actualy people: The site is run by Jonah Evans and Eli Ackerman.<br />
<a href="http://www.savecharityhospital.com/content/about-us" >http://www.savecharityhospital.com/content/about-us</a></p>
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		<title>By: MonkeyBoy</title>
		<link>http://humidcity.com/2010/01/28/scale/comment-page-1/#comment-257940</link>
		<dc:creator>MonkeyBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 20:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MS: You&#039;ve just done a wonderful job of illustrating what I was talking about in the last paragraph. What you have is &quot;Anecdotal Evidence&quot; and although convincing in some ways and possibly even true, it that doesn&#039;t necessarily make it valid (philosophically). To say it another way: As is evidence from the view 10&#039; inside the emergency room entrance, and the fact that there were people in the building removing equipment, and the fact that a substantial amount of removed equipment filled several trucks, you come to the conclusion that Charity is not as bad as the state claimed. Logically, you can&#039;t get to that conclusion based on the evidence presented; not to mention the implication that it should be rebuilt instead of replace. And yes its convincing, but it is also a hasty generalization if not, by definition, a logical fallacy.

And I guess I should say at this point that I do hope they can save the building and find a suitable use for it. Architecturally, it would be a tragic loss. But even so, I don&#039;t believe as a state of the art medical facility, it is a good choice.

My thinking on this is painfully simple: The building was constructed in 1939.  So take a 1939 Packard; a beautiful and powerful car at the time it was built. Make any and all renovations to it you want but you have to use the same frame without modifying it, and try and win the Indianapolis 500.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MS: You&#8217;ve just done a wonderful job of illustrating what I was talking about in the last paragraph. What you have is &#8220;Anecdotal Evidence&#8221; and although convincing in some ways and possibly even true, it that doesn&#8217;t necessarily make it valid (philosophically). To say it another way: As is evidence from the view 10&#8242; inside the emergency room entrance, and the fact that there were people in the building removing equipment, and the fact that a substantial amount of removed equipment filled several trucks, you come to the conclusion that Charity is not as bad as the state claimed. Logically, you can&#8217;t get to that conclusion based on the evidence presented; not to mention the implication that it should be rebuilt instead of replace. And yes its convincing, but it is also a hasty generalization if not, by definition, a logical fallacy.</p>
<p>And I guess I should say at this point that I do hope they can save the building and find a suitable use for it. Architecturally, it would be a tragic loss. But even so, I don&#8217;t believe as a state of the art medical facility, it is a good choice.</p>
<p>My thinking on this is painfully simple: The building was constructed in 1939.  So take a 1939 Packard; a beautiful and powerful car at the time it was built. Make any and all renovations to it you want but you have to use the same frame without modifying it, and try and win the Indianapolis 500.</p>
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		<title>By: loki</title>
		<link>http://humidcity.com/2010/01/28/scale/comment-page-1/#comment-257939</link>
		<dc:creator>loki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:05:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great rumination on scale and on the natural myopia of people, including ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great rumination on scale and on the natural myopia of people, including ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: M Styborski</title>
		<link>http://humidcity.com/2010/01/28/scale/comment-page-1/#comment-257938</link>
		<dc:creator>M Styborski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except that some of us have been inside Charity and seen that it&#039;s not as bad as the State claimed. In fact, one day that I visited Charity was swarming with worker ants carefully removing the Machines That Go Ping through the Emergency entrance. (&#039;06 I think, or early &#039;07) I was just looking for facade shots at the time, but I figured, heyâ€¦ it&#039;s openâ€¦

I got about ten feet inside when the security guard stopped me. I told her I had heard that Charity was in danger of collapse/razing and wanted to get some shots of the lobby. You know, the cool floors and Art Deco lobby and all that. She referred me to Charity&#039;s business office across the street. So I walked over and through the receptionist I was informed that unless I was a member of a Major Media Outlet I would not be allowed access because it was &quot;too dangerous inside.&quot; Funny, those worker ants seemed okay, and they had been there for a while judging by the amount of crap in those 18-wheelersâ€¦</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except that some of us have been inside Charity and seen that it&#8217;s not as bad as the State claimed. In fact, one day that I visited Charity was swarming with worker ants carefully removing the Machines That Go Ping through the Emergency entrance. (&#8217;06 I think, or early &#8217;07) I was just looking for facade shots at the time, but I figured, heyâ€¦ it&#8217;s openâ€¦</p>
<p>I got about ten feet inside when the security guard stopped me. I told her I had heard that Charity was in danger of collapse/razing and wanted to get some shots of the lobby. You know, the cool floors and Art Deco lobby and all that. She referred me to Charity&#8217;s business office across the street. So I walked over and through the receptionist I was informed that unless I was a member of a Major Media Outlet I would not be allowed access because it was &#8220;too dangerous inside.&#8221; Funny, those worker ants seemed okay, and they had been there for a while judging by the amount of crap in those 18-wheelersâ€¦</p>
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		<title>By: Lord David</title>
		<link>http://humidcity.com/2010/01/28/scale/comment-page-1/#comment-257934</link>
		<dc:creator>Lord David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perspective:
http://lorddavidtruth.blogspot.com/2010/01/we-are-not-alone.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perspective:<br />
<a href="http://lorddavidtruth.blogspot.com/2010/01/we-are-not-alone.html" >http://lorddavidtruth.blogspot.com/2010/01/we-are-not-alone.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: MonkeyBoy</title>
		<link>http://humidcity.com/2010/01/28/scale/comment-page-1/#comment-257920</link>
		<dc:creator>MonkeyBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 00:15:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, well shit Frenemy, I was just going by the fact that he&#039;s listed as the registrant and administrative contact according to internic (I actually queried betterwhois.com) But like I said, I don&#039;t know the guy. Maybe he just registered it for whoever runs it. Its  shame too cause the site being attributable to an actual person gave it more credibility in my mind.

Thanks for the info - I&#039;ll note it in the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, well shit Frenemy, I was just going by the fact that he&#8217;s listed as the registrant and administrative contact according to internic (I actually queried betterwhois.com) But like I said, I don&#8217;t know the guy. Maybe he just registered it for whoever runs it. Its  shame too cause the site being attributable to an actual person gave it more credibility in my mind.</p>
<p>Thanks for the info &#8211; I&#8217;ll note it in the post.</p>
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		<title>By: frenemy</title>
		<link>http://humidcity.com/2010/01/28/scale/comment-page-1/#comment-257919</link>
		<dc:creator>frenemy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Owen Henkel is a total douche...

...but he doesn&#039;t run the SaveCharityHospital.com website</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Owen Henkel is a total douche&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;but he doesn&#8217;t run the SaveCharityHospital.com website</p>
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