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		<title>By: pru</title>
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		<dc:creator>pru</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Jun 2010 07:57:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so quoting you in my homework! ;o)</description>
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		<title>By: Francine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Francine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 14:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for writing and sharing this. You&#039;ve got this mother&#039;s brain twitching thinking about how I might approach such conversations with my young one. And indeed, I&#039;m totally shocked that I hadn&#039;t thought about that before. We know we need to talk with our kids about sex. But I think most of us fail to talk directly about racial inequities and social justice, especially as it relates to our immediate environment. As parents, we have the primary responsibilty to teach our children well. But I&#039;m also thinking we should talk to our schools and ask them not if, but how they talk about social justice in the classroom. And do they have any resources for helping parents have these conversations. 
This is a very thought provoking post and hope you will consider submitting it to the T-P&#039;s op-ed page so that it may have a larger audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for writing and sharing this. You&#8217;ve got this mother&#8217;s brain twitching thinking about how I might approach such conversations with my young one. And indeed, I&#8217;m totally shocked that I hadn&#8217;t thought about that before. We know we need to talk with our kids about sex. But I think most of us fail to talk directly about racial inequities and social justice, especially as it relates to our immediate environment. As parents, we have the primary responsibilty to teach our children well. But I&#8217;m also thinking we should talk to our schools and ask them not if, but how they talk about social justice in the classroom. And do they have any resources for helping parents have these conversations.<br />
This is a very thought provoking post and hope you will consider submitting it to the T-P&#8217;s op-ed page so that it may have a larger audience.</p>
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		<title>By: Lord David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lord David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 01:06:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for a compelling, revealing and gut wrenching look inside of all of us, trying to make sense of a crazy world, still convulsing in change during  insane times.

It be a wonder we have gotten so far, if not for those long &amp; difficult conversations with budding and innocent minds, like the one you&#039;re having after writing this post.

Bless your heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for a compelling, revealing and gut wrenching look inside of all of us, trying to make sense of a crazy world, still convulsing in change during  insane times.</p>
<p>It be a wonder we have gotten so far, if not for those long &amp; difficult conversations with budding and innocent minds, like the one you&#8217;re having after writing this post.</p>
<p>Bless your heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Cousin Pat from Georgia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cousin Pat from Georgia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This ain&#039;t an easy topic to discuss.  What I find most interesting is how willing you are to examine it on a public internet forum, but you call yourself &quot;a damn coward&quot; when it comes up with your own child.  That&#039;s a strong fear response in regards to family, and believe me, I can relate.  

I also find it important that you link your inner conversation to matters of public policy.  The past is never dead, and the legacy of past injustice lives on.  A lot of individuals I know choose to gloss over that fact, when making their cultural assumptions.  One of the most insidious beliefs I&#039;ve ever encountered is the constant and unspoken acceptance that &quot;black schools&quot; will never be held to the same standard or deserve the same support as &quot;white schools.&quot;

Remember, those stereotypes you must fight &quot;with all of your strength&quot; were designed and culturally transmitted that way for that reason.  Jim Crow and segregation were far more than just laws on the books (and it ain&#039;t like they been off the books that long).  Culture matters, especially a culture developed and propogated for 400 years, and fighting it is like swimming upstream.  

That&#039;s no excuse, I know, but we&#039;re really the first generation where there are enough people having this conversation to really make the sea change needed that will change that culture irreversibly.   That&#039;s what makes the local &quot;reforms&quot; so infuriating - their &quot;changes&quot; miss this point almost completely.

Because, let&#039;s face it, if our governments treated &quot;white schools&quot; the same way they treated &quot;black schools,&quot; there would be rioting and protests all over suburbia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This ain&#8217;t an easy topic to discuss.  What I find most interesting is how willing you are to examine it on a public internet forum, but you call yourself &#8220;a damn coward&#8221; when it comes up with your own child.  That&#8217;s a strong fear response in regards to family, and believe me, I can relate.  </p>
<p>I also find it important that you link your inner conversation to matters of public policy.  The past is never dead, and the legacy of past injustice lives on.  A lot of individuals I know choose to gloss over that fact, when making their cultural assumptions.  One of the most insidious beliefs I&#8217;ve ever encountered is the constant and unspoken acceptance that &#8220;black schools&#8221; will never be held to the same standard or deserve the same support as &#8220;white schools.&#8221;</p>
<p>Remember, those stereotypes you must fight &#8220;with all of your strength&#8221; were designed and culturally transmitted that way for that reason.  Jim Crow and segregation were far more than just laws on the books (and it ain&#8217;t like they been off the books that long).  Culture matters, especially a culture developed and propogated for 400 years, and fighting it is like swimming upstream.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s no excuse, I know, but we&#8217;re really the first generation where there are enough people having this conversation to really make the sea change needed that will change that culture irreversibly.   That&#8217;s what makes the local &#8220;reforms&#8221; so infuriating &#8211; their &#8220;changes&#8221; miss this point almost completely.</p>
<p>Because, let&#8217;s face it, if our governments treated &#8220;white schools&#8221; the same way they treated &#8220;black schools,&#8221; there would be rioting and protests all over suburbia.</p>
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		<title>By: G Bitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>G Bitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 20:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;reformed&quot; school systems we have are not fighting prejudice and racism, not alleviating them, but compounding and reinforcing them. It&#039;s our hard job as parents to take our children in hand and have The Talks.

Kudos to you, Liprap. Your concern means that your son will benefit. Like said previously, it&#039;s the kids whose racial epithets and moronic statements are ignored who we have to worry about.

But what do you do? Is a talk, or several talks, enough when the world you live in is largely white? [Not specifying you here, Liprap.] How do you tell your child, &lt;i&gt;convince &lt;/i&gt;your child, that brown people are equal when they only see brown people driving buses, sweeping classroom floors and getting arrested on TV? Do you diversify your friends? Hang out on a different block for a parade? Change soccer leagues? In the highly stratified society we have, in America and especially in NO, what do you as a white parent do? I&#039;d like to hear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;reformed&#8221; school systems we have are not fighting prejudice and racism, not alleviating them, but compounding and reinforcing them. It&#8217;s our hard job as parents to take our children in hand and have The Talks.</p>
<p>Kudos to you, Liprap. Your concern means that your son will benefit. Like said previously, it&#8217;s the kids whose racial epithets and moronic statements are ignored who we have to worry about.</p>
<p>But what do you do? Is a talk, or several talks, enough when the world you live in is largely white? [Not specifying you here, Liprap.] How do you tell your child, <i>convince </i>your child, that brown people are equal when they only see brown people driving buses, sweeping classroom floors and getting arrested on TV? Do you diversify your friends? Hang out on a different block for a parade? Change soccer leagues? In the highly stratified society we have, in America and especially in NO, what do you as a white parent do? I&#8217;d like to hear.</p>
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		<title>By: termite</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>liprap, i can tell you from experience, you have to start talking with them when they are very young.  it&#039;s difficult to deal with the outside world and all it&#039;s hatred - but you can and you must teach unconditional love to your children.  what they learn as small children will carry them threw life. i&#039;m sure of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>liprap, i can tell you from experience, you have to start talking with them when they are very young.  it&#8217;s difficult to deal with the outside world and all it&#8217;s hatred &#8211; but you can and you must teach unconditional love to your children.  what they learn as small children will carry them threw life. i&#8217;m sure of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Capt. John Swallow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capt. John Swallow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 18:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Liprap - I hope every parent reads yer post and explains it to every child. Some ways of thinking have become so ingrained into society that even today, in 2010, the specters of the past show up when we least expect.
Some who read this may say, &quot;Oh well, it&#039;s because you&#039;re in the south&quot; - an equally ignorant point of view - this happens all over; north, south, Euope, UK...in places we laud for being &quot;forward thinking&quot; and &quot;civilized&quot;.

Of course one of the biggest problems (as ye pointed out) is that parents AND educators need to have open discussion with the younger generation to stem the tide. This does not exclude or excuse the same open discussion happening with the OLDER generations (though kids may show less respect for them than previously, they still learn their habits).

Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery. None but ourselves can free our minds. (Bob Marley)

If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. (Archbishop Desmond Tutu)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liprap &#8211; I hope every parent reads yer post and explains it to every child. Some ways of thinking have become so ingrained into society that even today, in 2010, the specters of the past show up when we least expect.<br />
Some who read this may say, &#8220;Oh well, it&#8217;s because you&#8217;re in the south&#8221; &#8211; an equally ignorant point of view &#8211; this happens all over; north, south, Euope, UK&#8230;in places we laud for being &#8220;forward thinking&#8221; and &#8220;civilized&#8221;.</p>
<p>Of course one of the biggest problems (as ye pointed out) is that parents AND educators need to have open discussion with the younger generation to stem the tide. This does not exclude or excuse the same open discussion happening with the OLDER generations (though kids may show less respect for them than previously, they still learn their habits).</p>
<p>Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery. None but ourselves can free our minds. (Bob Marley)</p>
<p>If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality. (Archbishop Desmond Tutu)</p>
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		<title>By: Maitri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maitri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As a family, we need to counter this, as this is how prejudice starts.&quot;

I think this exact same thought when I hear folks excuse overt and latent bigoted behavior with &quot;Oh, I&quot;m sure they didn&#039;t mean anything by it.&quot;  That&#039;s not the point - if we don&#039;t talk to our kids and other people openly about this, they go around thinking it&#039;s ok and, later on, resort to worse acts of bigotry to rebel against the PC taboo.

&quot;we cannot make the mistake of saying that just because we got the old wood out, we can rest on the new and be confident that it is doing right by us.&quot;

An easy, tempting way out of thinking, isn&#039;t it? New doesn&#039;t fix inherent inequality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As a family, we need to counter this, as this is how prejudice starts.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think this exact same thought when I hear folks excuse overt and latent bigoted behavior with &#8220;Oh, I&#8221;m sure they didn&#8217;t mean anything by it.&#8221;  That&#8217;s not the point &#8211; if we don&#8217;t talk to our kids and other people openly about this, they go around thinking it&#8217;s ok and, later on, resort to worse acts of bigotry to rebel against the PC taboo.</p>
<p>&#8220;we cannot make the mistake of saying that just because we got the old wood out, we can rest on the new and be confident that it is doing right by us.&#8221;</p>
<p>An easy, tempting way out of thinking, isn&#8217;t it? New doesn&#8217;t fix inherent inequality.</p>
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		<title>By: liprap</title>
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		<dc:creator>liprap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that, D.  Learning that now makes me even more determined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that, D.  Learning that now makes me even more determined.</p>
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		<title>By: dsb</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 17:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post, Liprap.  It reminded me of a recent study reported in Newsweek (http://www.newsweek.com/id/214989):

It was no surprise that in a liberal city like Austin, every parent was a welcoming multiculturalist, embracing diversity. But according to Vittrup&#039;s entry surveys, hardly any of these white parents had ever talked to their children directly about race. They might have asserted vague principlesâ€”like &quot;Everybody&#039;s equal&quot; or &quot;God made all of us&quot; or &quot;Under the skin, we&#039;re all the same&quot;â€”but they&#039;d almost never called attention to racial differences.

They wanted their children to grow up colorblind. But Vittrup&#039;s first test of the kids revealed they weren&#039;t colorblind at all. Asked how many white people are mean, these children commonly answered, &quot;Almost none.&quot; Asked how many blacks are mean, many answered, &quot;Some,&quot; or &quot;A lot.&quot; Even kids who attended diverse schools answered the questions this way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post, Liprap.  It reminded me of a recent study reported in Newsweek (<a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/214989" >http://www.newsweek.com/id/214989</a>):</p>
<p>It was no surprise that in a liberal city like Austin, every parent was a welcoming multiculturalist, embracing diversity. But according to Vittrup&#8217;s entry surveys, hardly any of these white parents had ever talked to their children directly about race. They might have asserted vague principlesâ€”like &#8220;Everybody&#8217;s equal&#8221; or &#8220;God made all of us&#8221; or &#8220;Under the skin, we&#8217;re all the same&#8221;â€”but they&#8217;d almost never called attention to racial differences.</p>
<p>They wanted their children to grow up colorblind. But Vittrup&#8217;s first test of the kids revealed they weren&#8217;t colorblind at all. Asked how many white people are mean, these children commonly answered, &#8220;Almost none.&#8221; Asked how many blacks are mean, many answered, &#8220;Some,&#8221; or &#8220;A lot.&#8221; Even kids who attended diverse schools answered the questions this way.</p>
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